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Post by Admin on Sept 28, 2007 9:45:00 GMT -8
Open for discussion...
Should state records be allowed by a state resident in ANY meet, even a national or international meet? For example, if a California lifter goes to the WPC Worlds and exceeds the California record in the squat, should that lift be counted as a state record? Or, should the policy be that state records can only be set in local and state championship meets held within the state?
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guru
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Post by guru on Sept 28, 2007 10:45:40 GMT -8
My feeling is that a state record can be set in any APF/AAPF sanctioned local or statewide meet, but not in national or world meets. Also, the one who sets the record should be a permanent California resident and an American citizen. I know of one instance where a person moved to California from Europe and soon began setting AMERICAN records even though that person hadn't yet even APPLIED for U.S. citizenship let alone become a citizen. That's just plain nonsense! California records for Californians, American records for Americans.
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Post by Powerlifting Bob on Sept 28, 2007 13:29:05 GMT -8
I disagree. I mean I agree with a lifter having to be an American citizen and a resident of California. However, I think if a lifter IS a resident of California and a U.S. citizen, then they should be able to set state records no matter where they lift, whether it be Senior Nationals or the WPC Worlds or if they happen to compete in some contest in Nevada, for example.
By the way, I know who you're talking about. That women set several records, none of which should have been considered state or American records. That was a travesty.
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Post by kenny on Sept 29, 2007 12:29:06 GMT -8
re: State Records, I think CA records should only be set by California residents and only at California APF/AAPF sanctioned meets. American records should only be set by American citizens. If someone has moved to the USA and has applied for citizenship but has not yet received the citizenship, they shouldn't be allowed to set American records. To set a state record anywhere else but in the home state, I feel defies the purpose of even having state records.
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Post by joesmo on Sept 30, 2007 13:26:13 GMT -8
interesting debate. I wonder why you have to complete the lift in the geographic of the governing body.
If I go to the WPCs, doesn't that qualify for American Records? Or because WPCs were in Russia, they do not qualify for an American record? I can set an American Record outside of America (within certain rules), so why not for a state record?
When you travel out of the country to a world event, this usually counts for a record in yoru country, doesn't it? - so why not with State Records? As long as it is the same sanctioning body, and you are a legal resident of that State - why not allow it?
I know this is a California debate, and it is a good one. Something you have to decide.
Michigan Records: Michigan Lifters can set records outside of Michigan.
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2007 20:24:50 GMT -8
Actually, Joe, I'd like this debate to go beyond California. I've always wondered why each state has to be different. I'm wondering if there should be a standardization of state records.
For example, what if a state chairman decides that state records can be set in any meet as long as the lifter is a state resident? Then a new state chairman takes over sometime in the future and says that records can be set ONLY in state or local meets, not national or international meets. You could now have the possibility a lifter going to a lot of the big meets (out of state) and setting a multitude of records but not lifting in his own state because the timing of the meets is not right or perhaps the state has only the required State Championship and no other meet and he can't make it. With the new rule by the new state chairman, that lifter might never again have the opportunity to set state records because he can never compete in that one meet held within the state. I'm sure there are other scenarios I haven't thought of.
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Post by Tom W on Oct 1, 2007 12:16:00 GMT -8
All of you are making good points. I agree that how a record is broken should be standardized throughout the APF/AAPF. All states should be on the same page.
At this point, I'm leaning towards allowing a state resident to break or set state records in any competition, be it local, in another state, at nationals, or worlds.
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Post by joesmo on Oct 2, 2007 15:08:55 GMT -8
Actually, Joe, I'd like this debate to go beyond California. I've always wondered why each state has to be different. I'm wondering if there should be a standardization of state records. . In the 10 yrs I've been lifting in Michigan APF - it has changed in Michigan. I read some of the responses at "PowerLifting Watch', and the one comment, I think by some old fart from Alabama <g>, his comment was - The Alabama Records are kept for Alabama residents - regardless of where the lift occurs - i paraphrased. I would like to see this standardized. If I come to California to lift, and if it is a sanctioned APF meet - well that means that the APF (or Amy <g> ) approves of the meet - so why wouldn't my state chair? Might be a good topic for the State Chairmen to discuss at the meeting at Nationals.
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Post by cheapbobxxxpl on Oct 3, 2007 14:35:53 GMT -8
It has always been that you set records for your state at any meet, be it in local, National or World. It's only common sense. If you don't live there you can't set the record. If you live in the state and beat the record, it's the record. Cut and dry!
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chip
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Post by chip on Oct 4, 2007 15:37:47 GMT -8
You know what I think.
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Tom W
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Post by Tom W on Oct 4, 2007 20:54:14 GMT -8
Hey, Chip. Was there more to that statement? I'm not sure we DO know what you think. I'd love to hear your input.
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Post by chip on Oct 5, 2007 16:02:04 GMT -8
Sorry Tom, That was ment for Bob and Joe. I think people spend to much time worrying about records. There are only 1 million of them out there. Then you have people breaking records in classes were they are beating the only other person to ever lift in that catagory. People cry because the record didn't get changed on Monday after the meet. Just have fun with it. I hold no records, titles or championships and I am happy with that. On the other hand I know World Champions who lift FAR less than anyone on our team. Just my opinion and if your goals are to beat a record I hope you do!!!! I mainly only Bench #242 so my record to beat is #905. Aint ganna happen so I will just worry about my numbers and #800 would be real nice.
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